I was in a group in MPG yesterday. A nice face item dropped. 3 melees were in. I won the item.
Half an hour later, half the group left. We replaced them with 2 new casters and a melee. Still 3 melee in the group.
Within minutes a weapon proc aug dropped. Neither of the other melee wanted it so I looted that.
20 minutes later a nice earring dropped. Again for melee. The other melee who had been with the group from the beginning passed. So the item was up for grabs between myself and the newly added melee.
I was going to roll on it but the group leader told me they felt I should pass. So I did.
Just wondering how others feel. I had receive a couple items already. But the melee I would have rolled against was with the group a much shorter time.
Would it have been greedy of me to roll on the earring?
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I would say yes. There are enough drops that it wouldent be a hardship to pass until every one who can use gets something.
But The GL should of made clear loot rules up front.
But The GL should of made clear loot rules up front.
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I would probably have passed, because you received the weapon procing aug and the melee was in the group...
I would not even consider looting it unless all the others passed, I had won one randon and looted a second item that no one wanted. Even if new members had arrived I would give them the consideration of first option
I would have passed. In my opinion, it doesn't really matter that the other melee was with the group a much shorter time. Maybe it would have if I wouldn't have received any loot before...
I have to agree with the above.
Add to that no piece of loot is worth looking like a assbag.
Wait to get that piece until everyone has something. It will drop again and since everyone had passed that time but the 2 of you the next time it dropped you would probly get with no competition at all.
Add to that no piece of loot is worth looking like a assbag.
Wait to get that piece until everyone has something. It will drop again and since everyone had passed that time but the 2 of you the next time it dropped you would probly get with no competition at all.
I have seen that situation before and I would say that should assume that the one loot per person until all have one rule applies until the group leader specifically says that you are starting over due to group turnover.
Technically a pickup group should have a straight up random roll on all items that anyone desires, that being said, I would have passed in the situation you described. I would not take the chance of missing out on a nice group in the future because I'm known as a loot *****.
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Xythex wrote:
I'm known as a loot *****
So, how is that belt treating you?
Pass
Unless all these items were no drop, I would be a very annoyed caster, not getting to roll on anything, and would probably leave group. There are all kinds of greed and "need" is just one of them IMO. Guildies & friends share, pickup groups should ALL get to roll on all good dropable items.
I would agree with what nearly everyone else has said. You should have passed on the earring because you received the aug while the newly added melee was in the group. The fact that no one else wanted the aug you looted does make it kind of a grey area, though, for me.
As an example, my chanter was in an LDoN, charisma aug dropped. No one wanted it. I didn't really need it or even want it but as I was the only one in the group that would possibly benefit from it, I looted it. Next an int aug dropped later. I DID want that, but was asked to pass since I got the charisma aug. I agreed, but was grumbling a bit to myself about that.
Another weird pick-up group example of "grey" areas: Took my warrior to camp the frenzied spider in Velks to get some silver chitin handwraps. Joined a group of 4 others, killed spiders awhile, frenzied pops handwraps drop. Everyone rolls, I lose. No big deal. 3 of the 4 others leave and we pickup a couple more people. Another frenzied pop and drop , roll I lose again.
Long story short, 8 hours camping this with various people coming and going in the group, had the handwraps drop alot (6 times I think). I never won a single roll. Some of the people who got the handwraps were in the group for less than a half an hour before they left. At a certain point, I think my warrior should have gotten priority over newer group members to get the handwraps.
Any opinions on those situations?
As an example, my chanter was in an LDoN, charisma aug dropped. No one wanted it. I didn't really need it or even want it but as I was the only one in the group that would possibly benefit from it, I looted it. Next an int aug dropped later. I DID want that, but was asked to pass since I got the charisma aug. I agreed, but was grumbling a bit to myself about that.
Another weird pick-up group example of "grey" areas: Took my warrior to camp the frenzied spider in Velks to get some silver chitin handwraps. Joined a group of 4 others, killed spiders awhile, frenzied pops handwraps drop. Everyone rolls, I lose. No big deal. 3 of the 4 others leave and we pickup a couple more people. Another frenzied pop and drop , roll I lose again.
Long story short, 8 hours camping this with various people coming and going in the group, had the handwraps drop alot (6 times I think). I never won a single roll. Some of the people who got the handwraps were in the group for less than a half an hour before they left. At a certain point, I think my warrior should have gotten priority over newer group members to get the handwraps.
Any opinions on those situations?
imagine 3 cookies on the tray, you have eatten 2 of them. now would you fight a kid for it who happens to want the last one because he has only just come in to the room?
Edited, Thu Aug 18 15:22:31 2005 by Assailant
Edited, Thu Aug 18 15:22:31 2005 by Assailant
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magine 3 cookies on the tray, you have eatten 2 of them. now would you fight a kid for it who happens to want the last one because he has only just come in to the room?
Only if the kid was a red head would I beat him down for the last cookie.
Semiopaque wrote:
As an example, my chanter was in an LDoN, charisma aug dropped. No one wanted it. I didn't really need it or even want it but as I was the only one in the group that would possibly benefit from it, I looted it. Next an int aug dropped later. I DID want that, but was asked to pass since I got the charisma aug. I agreed, but was grumbling a bit to myself about that.
This is always a difficult situation. There are lots of situations where a "crappy" item drops that is worthwhile, but by no means comparable to other drops in the area. It always sucks when you take one because it'll rot otherwise and someone insists on counting that as your loot and excludes you when a "nice" drop occurs.
That's always very situational though. Sure. The aug wasn't that amazing, and no one was screaming to get it, but you got "something". Not everyone gets something at every camp, so you're ahead in any case. I think if it had just been the aug, no one would have argued against you rolling for the earing. However, I think the group leader was taking into account that you'd already gotten a nice loot drop. While those other two melees weren't there for that one, you still "got something nice" out of your stay with the group.
I think the combination of those was why he asked you not to roll. If it had been just one or the other, maybe not. Remember, he'd been there the whole time too. You don't mention if he got anything at all, but if he didn't I can see how he might thing you're being just a touch greedy having already gotten two items, but looking to roll on a third.
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Another weird pick-up group example of "grey" areas: Took my warrior to camp the frenzied spider in Velks to get some silver chitin handwraps. Joined a group of 4 others, killed spiders awhile, frenzied pops handwraps drop. Everyone rolls, I lose. No big deal. 3 of the 4 others leave and we pickup a couple more people. Another frenzied pop and drop , roll I lose again.
Long story short, 8 hours camping this with various people coming and going in the group, had the handwraps drop alot (6 times I think). I never won a single roll. Some of the people who got the handwraps were in the group for less than a half an hour before they left. At a certain point, I think my warrior should have gotten priority over newer group members to get the handwraps.
Long story short, 8 hours camping this with various people coming and going in the group, had the handwraps drop alot (6 times I think). I never won a single roll. Some of the people who got the handwraps were in the group for less than a half an hour before they left. At a certain point, I think my warrior should have gotten priority over newer group members to get the handwraps.
And this of course shows the exact opposite. The best I can say is that some days things go for you and some days they don't. I think in longish groups, some loot count should be taken into account. Most groups *will* do so to some degree. But there's no hard rule. If I'd been the leader of that group, at the point at which you'd lost 5 in a row, I'd have just declared to the group that "so and so has been here for 5 drops and not gotten it yet, so we're going to default the next one to him...". I don't know of too many players that will get pissy about that. Everyone knows what it's like to be at a camp for a long time and get nothing.
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In all seriousness, I believe in rolling for everything that is droppable. If you want to pass on something because it is worthless to you, fine do so, in fact, I pass a lot on stuff bc I don't need it nor do I want to sell it. When I am on my cleric, am I going to roll on a weapon that will bring in 75-100k at the baz? You bet. I participated in a fight as much as the next guy therefore I am entitled to the equal chance at the loot. Am I going to roll on a no drop or an obvious upgrade for someone who I know and group with regularly? Never, pass.
Guild loot rules might apply as well as for items counting towards your loot. NTL or no tell loot is a free for all, nor DKP needed to spend on it and grab as much as you want, it is going to rot anyway.
Like what has been said previously, loot rules should be discussed from the beginnning of the group so everyone is on the same page.
Guild loot rules might apply as well as for items counting towards your loot. NTL or no tell loot is a free for all, nor DKP needed to spend on it and grab as much as you want, it is going to rot anyway.
Like what has been said previously, loot rules should be discussed from the beginnning of the group so everyone is on the same page.
Yes in that case I agree you should pass. Anytime I am in a group if I have all-ready won a item I generally won't roll on another.
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For me, there are 3 loot tables: gear, augs, and runes. Once you win from one type u cant roll on it again but can roll on a different table u have yet to win.
So pass would be my decision due to have already winning something from the gear table.
So pass would be my decision due to have already winning something from the gear table.
2 items was good for you, even though one of them noone wanted. You should have passed.
I was in an LDoN like this once, where 3 augs dropped that I could have used, that everyone else but me and one other guy got.
Guess what - he got all 3 of them.
Yes, he randomed higher, but it still ticked me off.
I was in an LDoN like this once, where 3 augs dropped that I could have used, that everyone else but me and one other guy got.
Guess what - he got all 3 of them.
Yes, he randomed higher, but it still ticked me off.
i would have passed.
i also agree on the augs, armor, spells (runes) all on diferent loot tables.
does kind of suck if one person gets lucky enough to win all 3 diferent typs tho lol.
what i don't like, is when multiple items are up for /random at one time, and people want to just roll once (top 3 win, higher takes pick). i would perfer a seperate roll for each item. that way one crappy roll don't take away all of your chances.
i also agree on the augs, armor, spells (runes) all on diferent loot tables.
does kind of suck if one person gets lucky enough to win all 3 diferent typs tho lol.
what i don't like, is when multiple items are up for /random at one time, and people want to just roll once (top 3 win, higher takes pick). i would perfer a seperate roll for each item. that way one crappy roll don't take away all of your chances.
What you did is just fine!!!
It's NBG always and what that means is if you can use it then roll for it..............now there might be some things to take into account(like say the item is all/all and has a spell haste mod and an upgrade for you on life...ya the casters should get it.....just like an upgrade on life and say cleave 2 or haste drops...melee gets it.....) but an all/all item with no focii..........hell yes you should roll....................
Now there is what I call a moral line.....say the item is a 10-20hp upgrade to you while it is a 50-100hp upgrade to someone else.......me personally I'd let them take it......but that is just me................if there were no loot rules and the items were an upgrade to you then hell roll away!!!!!
It's NBG always and what that means is if you can use it then roll for it..............now there might be some things to take into account(like say the item is all/all and has a spell haste mod and an upgrade for you on life...ya the casters should get it.....just like an upgrade on life and say cleave 2 or haste drops...melee gets it.....) but an all/all item with no focii..........hell yes you should roll....................
Now there is what I call a moral line.....say the item is a 10-20hp upgrade to you while it is a 50-100hp upgrade to someone else.......me personally I'd let them take it......but that is just me................if there were no loot rules and the items were an upgrade to you then hell roll away!!!!!
All you have to do is read down this thread to see how many 'grey' areas there are when it comes to this. Everyone has their own feelings and opinions on how this should be handled. If you get in a pick-up group with 5 other people, you are likely to have 5 people who think differently about it then you. That's the beauty of the /random command. It's the great equalizer and ultimate mediator.
Personally, I think you should roll on anything that is droppable...if you want to. I use my discretion whenever appropriate, and I will pass on things I really don't have a use for. But I'm not a fan of someone else deciding when I'm entitled to roll on a drop.
To the OP, you were well within your rights to roll....but that's just my opinion.
Personally, I think you should roll on anything that is droppable...if you want to. I use my discretion whenever appropriate, and I will pass on things I really don't have a use for. But I'm not a fan of someone else deciding when I'm entitled to roll on a drop.
To the OP, you were well within your rights to roll....but that's just my opinion.
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