Gate Potion failures RantFollow

There has to be something done about gate becomming unstable and collapsing when useing a Gate Potion. I was just stranded in Plane of Fear and had to log out for 6 hours this weekend to return home. Trying to be as self supporting as possible I try to come prepared for raids as much as possible OT hammer useless in fear I know, and a gate potion. Well when the raid broke up there was 3 extra non gaters, We all had OT hammers and I having the gate potion voluntered to be the bashing dummy for the others. After they departed I drink my potion and get ready to gate back to PoK but my gate becomes unstable and collapses, my gate potion gone and now I am stranded in a half cleared zone with no way out. Whats the deal with a 300p potion failing...Something has to be done about this sort of thing its bad enough to have to spend 300p but to have them fail is a bit much. And yes I know about velium Vapors but I am KOS in Thurg.

You could have /dueled someone with the OT hammer until u gated.

Why not duel one of the people that gated, BEFORE they gated?

I assume you're a warrior, so you didn't have the option of trying to proc gate hammer and FDing if you get low on health.

Ash

Then the GM was lying or ignorant. I 3-box and 4-box. I have had a gate fail when one of my other characters was looking at the bind point and it was EMPTY, no one around. Gate collapsing is a random thing they threw in to make it more dangerous, just like the occasional character left behind during evac.

I use this for my SK.

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=5329

It's a 10 second cast time and never fails and it only costs like 5pp to make.

You should not paint yourself into a corner by having only ONE gate potion. Always be prepared for failure. Heck, I'd have a fresh 5-doser for that situation.

I would say the sugestion about dueling someone with your gate hammer who CAN gate is the best. The last one out should be able to gate (and turn the lights off).

You can get other 'gate' potions that are not AS expensive too.

Thurgadin gate potion requires you have indifferent or better faction with the Coldain and make a 122 trivial pottery item (with a few minor Velious drops: small brick, peices of velium, crystaline silk).

There are also gate potions for other locations that coast 2/3ds of the price of a regular gate. FoB outside Kaesora is one.

A bit cheaper than that even, if you have DoN is to die+summon+rez in the Guild Lobby.

Always have a backup plan.

All that said, my OT Hammer is still one of the single best time investments I ever made. My bard, rogue and shadowknight all have one and each has used it at least once to save myself a considerable run or death.

The worst is having the Vial of Swirling Smoke gate potion collapse on you. For 1000pp a pop, the only real cause to use it over the Shaman versions is for the insta-cast but if the Gate fails, it's a grand down the tubes and you're probably dead as well.

Fallonn is correct, all port/gate spells (including potions) have a chance to fail. Oddly enough, if a group port fails it's usually the caster (druid or wizard) who gets left behind while others get ported away.

I've seen druid succor spells and port spells leave people behind before.....Never had a velium vapor fail that I remember. Don't use em anymore though.

Ok. Seems like there's a lot of confusion here. There are four different spell types involved.

A "gate" is a single self only spell. It transports you and only you to your bind point. It can fizzle, just like any other spell. Additionally, there is a small chance of any gate spell "becoming unstable and collapsing".

A "port" spell is a single target self only spell that transports you to a specific spot other then your bind. Each spell takes you to a particular spot. These spells can fizzle, but I don't think they suffer the "collapse" failure possiblity of the gate spell. At least I can't recall it ever happening.

A "group port" spell transports you and everyone in your group to a specific spot in the game world. It's just a normal port, but affects everyone in the group. These should be 100% (fizzles excepted). If the spell goes off everyone is transported to the specified location. No exceptions. No collapses. No one ever gets left behind.

A "succor/evac" spell works exactly the same as the group port spell above. It will either have a specific location, or it will be "generic" and will transport you and your group to the "safe" spot in the current zone you are in. These spells are faster casting then normal group ports, so they're a bit easier to use in combat when things get dicey. However, there is a small random chance that any given member of the group might get left behind.



Only the succor/evac group transportation spells have a chance to leave someone behind. It's actually quite amazing to me how many druids/wizards don't seem to understand this. If you are traveling around and time is not an issue (ie: heading back to PoK after a long night of killing stuff), you should *always* use the normal group port. Do *not* use a succor or evac unless you absolutely need to save that 6 seconds on the cast duration. You are randomly risking stranding people for absolutely no reason. I run into wizards and druids all the time who don't seem to know this. They'll use the succor spells for porting their group around and then wonder why every once in awhile someone gets left behind. Use the correct spell and that will never happen.


I know that's unrelated to the gate collapsing issue, but felt it was worthwhile to toss in.


I can also say that I've never had a velium vapors collapse on me. However, I've maybe used them a dozen or so times total (always have one just in case, but avoid having to use it if I can). It's "super rare" anyway, so I just may not have gotten unlucky yet. I know that my wiz uses gate all the time (Even with ports, you still use it for fast travel back to your bind, right?). I think I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times it's collapsed.

No. I've had group ports (druid) leave people behind several times . It doesn't happen as often as succor/evacs but it will happen.

maybe you should see who made it and get your money back, for the shoddy workmanship?

seriously, i have had gate fail only a few times. My bind point is in Skyshrine, and when i cast the gate again, and ended at bind point, i am the only one in the zone. I have lost count, however, of the number of times I have ported into PoK, and found myself INSIDE of another character. the horse was bad enough, but to be inside of an ogre looking out.....
Granted, ports and gates are two differant things.