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Amen to that!

I'm a 61 Ranger, been playing a little over a year. Hate to say it, but i think Astucexxx has a point. I know there is still a lot of content for me to get to and for my Guild. I accept that that is not true of the 70 player. The story line sort of dictates the zones, but the problems are a consequence combining uber loot with easy access. Making it harder to get to might have helped a bit.

We should not forget the anniversary event had something for even a level 1 toon (/auc WTS Festive Doll 15k pst), and that the halloween event last fall was playable by toons in their 40's.

We were talking about content, not about anniversary gifts...


Yes. By toons in their 40ies. And not by toons in the 40 levels below.

2cp worth...

In my opinion, the loot was great but might have been a little high end, and smacks at the others who did work to get Tacvi and CoA access. It, does however, give other players the access to high end gear they may never see if they are not in an "uber" guild. Yes, I totally agree that the ninja looting, training, etc. really sucked. Unfortunately that was a bad side effect of the whole event and as much as I enjoyed the event, I wish there was something that could have been done about it on the GM side. In order to help prevent this, our guild set up a raid force to control the trains and looting.

One main point...the rule still applies to looting: If you/your group/your raid does the most damage to the mob, then you have the first opportunity to loot. If someone was "ninjaing" then it was because you weren't controlling the mobs, didn't loot in time or didn't do the most damage. I am not saying that the person doing the ninjaing is innocent by any means, but you have as much responsibility as they do.

I feel the event "idea" was great. I feel the loot was great. The event and what happened in the event, really need to be worked on though.


Edited, Thu Aug 4 14:37:28 2005 by Wehalk

I agree with you on leaving existing content alone, I think sony's idea of revamping content to make it more usefull is a great idea but nobody uses it once revamped.

I think it's unfair to blame SOE for the abhorrent behavior of some people taking part in the war. Just because the temptation is there doesn't make the action of the perpetrator acceptable. It's like saying the victim of a crime deserved it because they were stupid enough to be in that situation (alone, drunk...). The ninja looters were always there, they just tipped they hands during this event.

I do believe the drops are a little high. I can see how some people who have worked really hard to get to Time or wherever would be disgusted. But I think the level you have to be to even attempt this makes up for it. Also if you have been able to get yourself up to lvl 65-70 on your own (so no chance of Time), you should be able to get gear like this.

I myself am lvl 63. I zoned into Rathe to watch and learn. Don't get me wrong, if the opportunity arose that I could have gotten a drop (if someone offered it to me), I was not going to pass it up, but I wasn't expecting it. My problem was that as a DE I was allied with the Ykeshan army... the only guy that dropped what I wanted. I like to roleplay a little and I don't want to ***** up my faction with him. So I did my part. I was able to relate positions to good characters (ok, not in keeping with my allied status, but evil is evil). I was also about to rez some people from uber guilds like Machin Chin, hopefully scoring points with that guild, but I died before being able to brown-nose. I do feel bad for all the low-level characters that get sucker-punched in their safe low-level zones. Not looking forward to the war coming to my hometown.

I fall into the category of newbie who doesn't know anything about the different zones. I usually parked my carcass in a zone and ground out the xp until the mobs turned green. I tried exploring when I was "younger", but after dying really far away and not even knowing which zone it was, I was too happy to live in the guildhall for a few days (you might have noticed the new curtains I put up). I plan on taking each of the stones in PoK in turn just to see where they lead.

I must admit that I have neglected all my other toons. The prospect of starting all over again does not thrill me. Didn't think about how the differences in class/race was going to affect which zones and quests were available to me. I just might have fun leveling them. Knowing what I know now and having more skills, I will definitely enjoy myself more this time instead of jumping at every shadow.

About the new content being only for higher level toons... I think people are not looking at it from the perspective of the creators. The game has been around for 6 years. Like a previous person posted, the old zones are new to the new players. You can't tell me that you have been to EVERY zone and still want more low-level ones. What are the old-timers supposed to do when all their toons are over 60? The biggest battle SOE is trying to win is to keep people from leaving EQ to go to WoW or other games. A person who tries EQ for a month or 2 and moves on was never going to be a customer no matter what SOE offered. They have to keep the ones that have spent years of their lives online. I do agree that they should fix all the old bugs though before moving forward. And I've noticed some changes in the low level zones. I walked into Nektulos forest not too long ago and I said "hey, who are those new NPC's standing there (in undead area with zombies)?" I'm sure there are changes all over. You just have to look. There are zones that I have been to only to get to other zones and therefore have no idea what they have to offer (example Echo Caverns - I usually just go for the vendors. I was really surprised when a newbie I had befriended said he was killing stuff there).

BTW, the ninja looters were not the only ones being despicable. Same friend (high 30's) was charged 400pp for a rez in guildhall by the only cleric there at the time. 400pp to click your rez stick on an obvious victim. <bad taste in mouth>. I realize the work involved in getting the epic but can we say GREEEEEEDY.

JMHO

p.s. I get the impression (unfounded) that the faction hits during the war are going to be important to the new expansion. The uber drops might be a way to lure people to come to the war so that quite a few people will be "ready" for the new expansion.

Edited, Fri Aug 5 12:18:55 2005 by vorpalswd

It does me no good. Just another event only the lvl 65+ time geared or better people seem to be able to enjoy. I got a 66 monk and I have yet to get invited to a war group. I actually got invited once to a war group, however they turned me away when I got there cause I didn't have enough AA's and they got a 70 monk instead.


Also how did somebody jump in and take a persons loot if you just killed a mob? You got a couple of minutes before they can loot it, unless of course you was actually grouped with them?

On a further not before you dare to reply to my thread, to those that do not work and are thinking about it, remember it is us workers that keep sony in business that allows you to play this game.

The war was ******** except for the 65-70s, almost everything is now, period, so do not waiste your time in replying. I won't be here anyway, you know, thing called work.

I beta darkhollows myself - I thought soe called it DOD. Anyhow I feel the loot was to high for the ease of effort to attain war items. However I think the way loot was done wasnt fully thought out. This war is all a prelude to DOD, so lets wait and see what happens upon its release. I pay to play to have fun. If I want to gear up Id join the insane raiding guilds. If you dont want to do this, DON missions loot is awesome for the time to farm crystals. Ldon was made for lowbies and ubers. Soe has done things right in the past.

Guys pull your head out your a$$. Quit whining about content for high levels, low levels.....just send soe a message by quitting. If they don't get your monthly payments, they start changing the way they do buisness. The urber loot is only so peeps will keep buying expansions. They need to keep selling their software. You guys are like gambling addicts, playing 24/7 thinking you are going to get the urber loot item that will put all urber loot items to shame and slay that level 100 monster dead (solo). I't aint going to happen. Sony is not in buisness to loose money. They are just pulling you along. I got an invitation today to play EQ for free from Sony....hmmm I wonder why...because I quit playing...they are hopeing I will come back and reactivate both my accounts...It ain't going to happen...saving my money now for something better!
(by the way my lowest level character 25, highest 70) I quit playing to send Soe a message....They took an awesome experence and turned it into a job. I got one of those in real life and I don't work for free!!!!

Ace

As for lowbies complaining about this war being too high....What war is ever fought with inexperienced ppl.....its only right that the more advanced ppl who actualy know how things go down to b in a war n leave the training n the mass need of rez's to the newbs...Anyway...even if the war was 4 lowbies u guys wouldnt get a drop of lewt kuz all the higher ups with KS everything just 4 the heck of it.

Edited, Mon Aug 8 06:56:22 2005 by nejudivine

I believe that Sony has made errors, however, they have tried to corrcet them, and may have gone overboard. GoD came out long before the Mistmoor and Splitpaw revamps. MM and Paw were said to have been done because there wasn;t any high level dungeons. I disagree, GoD, unlike LDoN was made strictly for uber people who do know how to assist, mez, pacify, and play the game. LDoN is a very useful teaching guide to this point. On the other hand if you level up in LDoN, then you miss so much content, you you only become decent at that type of play. As far as spells go, LDoN points are worth it, but I found that doing LDoN's at level 20 and getting 2 points was not sufficient for 'gear' as killing spiderlings selling the silks and getting real gear. The LDoN gear that is decent is made by smiths using foraged componetns. To gear a casual player is hard if you try to kill for every piece. My cleric, now 55 has a fabled polished bone bracelet from 2004 because of the wis, and used 4 cleric druid shaman drops from CoM. I never got the gyrating neck. To get any kind of decent gear level 40 was what I had to really find anything useful. I do see why people are upset at so much being made high level, they took the absolute BEST spots to level 20-30 MM and 30-40 Paw away from midlevelsm and everything that now happens is made upscale of 65. I currently have 61 Rogue, 55 Cleric and 54 Necroamncer on Povar, and I still feel like a lowbie on every level of the game. It is either green or red. OoW got Dranik's Scar, a wonderful place at 40, I give Kudos there, but then DoN is 50+ only. As far as being 70 with 5 toons, maybe multiple servers or accounts, congradulations on your accomplishments, help others get there rather then basking in the sunlight and complaining that others are complaining because they are having difficulty getting there. MMORPG, the MM stands for Massive Multiplayer, so stop doing what you can do, and help someone else reach the light at the end of the tunnel. I have made toons out of pure need. Main was a Rogue, but sometimes I could find groups, so I made a cleric, and they have stayed 5 levels apart almost all the way up. When your level 30, 50+ is high, I undertand now that isn't entirly accurate. But try to look at there point of view, as you were once that level too, unless you started when Brell server changed named from beta.

Edited, Mon Aug 8 12:36:16 2005 by KPotts