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(Per lucy) Currently on Test These have been removed. That includes the lower level versions also. I do not know if that is a in game change or a data base change.

No clue if these will go live with OoW or at all.

My suggestion to find out from the horses mouth is to make a charactor on test and ask a cleric there.

I hope that clerics still need the reagant. I like temp and all, but come on. Half the time they cast it to make money, it makes sense that they have some expenses. Besides, clerics are the most sought after class there is. They don't need another advantage.

Let the reagents stay! It then becomes a roleplay thing. Oh roleplay? What's that?

I digress -- if there were such a thing as magic there would be certain spells that used a catalyst. SOE has made the game too easy on the roleplay aspects anyway.

But then I play a druid that only needs reagents for flying & breathing under water & some fire spells. And most can be foraged.

BUT if the cleric reagent is deleted should we delete reagent requirements for pets for Chanters, Necros & Mages? (Don't know what Shammies & Beasties require for their pets)

It's part of the game -- let it stand

Why do clerics always complain about reagents. I have to use peris all the time as a wizard for spell shielding and I don't complain.

Some spells require that a reagent be on your person but is not used when spell is cast. If folks want to maintain the RP aspect then go that route. I myself feel that Cleric's should be able to cast there buffs without losing money. As stated above, many other classes already do.

Seeler

So? Temp is one of the most sought after buffs besides kei. It just seems that most clerics are spoiled nowadays. Clerics already have some of the most useful spells, and have a huge advantage in the game. If temp no longer equires a reagant, then Im not donating or it, just as others don't donate for my non-reagant consuming spells.

As said before, all spells should no longer use reagants if this is the case. I often have to interrupt what im doing to stock up on bone chips. Im sick of using portal fragments to port people.(not to mention the fact that people usually don't pay for it) I refuse to waste bat wings, or cat's eye agate, or bloodstones. Quit complaining about having to use something to cast a spell, we all use them. Saying it's not fair is like saying that we shouldn't need mana to cast.

/rant off

Mages have an AA that allows them to eliminate the use of reagents when summoning their pets. Could that be what you're talking about Trellium? If it's not, then I don't know what you are referring to w/ the reagentless pets. (The AA encompasses all pets though, not just 3.)

Actually 62+ pets (except MS IV)don't require malachite on you to cast, while Ward of Xegony does. This is easy to confirm either in game or look at the Lucy data.

The reason for this is open for debate, and a number of magicians lean towards it's a bug in the spell data. Interestingly enough, Omen pets are parsing the same way now (Air pet needs malachite, other three don't). Of course its likely they copied the spell data so that could explain it.

Elemental Pact is the AA that prevents you consuming a reagent for the few pets that still need it. Was handy pre pet-cani nerf as MS was great for that, but that consumes a reagent.

I know it's a fantasy game but you could still try to be in touch with the realities of it - just slightly.

What "huge advantage" do clerics have? What "most useful spells". They heal and buff, mostly as was pointed out for other people.

They are healers and have good heals. They would be sooo unfair right - that we have a healing class that can heal. Why not have it so they can't heal - then who'd want them in groups eh?

They have good spells for assisting a group. They don't really have good spells for soloing.

And Wow - you refuse to waste your batwing costing 1sp if they won't use a peridot costing 1,000 times as much. That is the problem. Your batwings, malachites and catsye agates cost a tiny fraction of the cost of peridots.

But at the end of the day the answer is simple. Donate or go without. You have no way to make a Temp caster spend 550 mana on your worthless hide any more than they have a way to make you cast your buffs on them - all square.

Agree. Keeping one peridot on you to be able to cast the spell is no big deal. This is a good idea.

I saw a Wizzy post about having to use fragments to cast TL's so why should clerics get a break...

Well, for one thing. My wizzy buys his fragments for around 2pp each or less. Been so long since I played him that I forget the exact price. But at minimum 5 times cheaper than a cleric pays for one Peridot.

I usually keep half a stack of dots on my Pally just in case our cleric would like to defray their costs for casting Virt.

Normally, they decline to take them from me. But it costs them real plat guys. Plat to do their job in a group. It's not so bad for the clerics that have HoV, but it can get quite expensive for a cleric who does not have it.

My wife casts VoQ without a reagent. And can make mad loot at the buff store if she chooses. And other than the effort and or money it took to GET that spell, it's pure profit.

A cleric, on the other hand who doesn't have HoV is looking at SPENDING 10-12pp for every cast of Virt.

I don't play a cleric myself, but I'd be more than glad to see the removal of the reagent for a Cleric to cast the spell.

I know there are those who would argue that it then becomes unfair to force a Necro to burn an EE for a Rez or a Pally to hafta have a Dot for their version of Temp, but if you think about it, THAT makes sense. It's INHERENT to Clerics to be able to Virt and rez people.

I like it myself. Glad to see clerics get a break :)

It would be nice if manaskin didn't take a peridot each cast also. An extra 500 or so HP is nice, but once they're gone, they're gone...

Hey! No peridots means no clerics claiming every gem that drops "for dot costs" meaning more plat for you! Always a silver lining!

I really don't mind clerics losing the 'dots. Good for them. Most reagents are annoying anyway and should be eliminated. What's the benefit to making levitate require batwings? It doesn't really stop anyone from casting the spell, doesn't take any significant plat out of the economy and really only serves as an annoyance. But even if they keep batwings, bonechips and malachite around forever, dumping the 'dots was a nice idea.