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Anyone who thanks a shaman is a better back up healer than a druid is an um... freaking moron
A shamans heal isn't even in the same neighborhood as a druids. With a crit a druid heals over 9300, what can a shammy do, 2600?

Do you even know what you are talking about? Learn something before you post. You're just another JEALOUS druid-hater. Don't hate us because we are the best all around class in the game. Deal with it, or better yet, make one and realize just how wrong you are.


No I have no idea at all what Im talking about you see I ebayed my Qvic flagged wizard yesterday and just started playing 2 hrs before the patch last night.......

Now if you would go back and read I SAID BACKUP HEALER back up healers use patch heals and heals over time you already have a cleric casting a 10 sec CH so why would I want a druid doing the same......(and again if i do want a 2nd CH as I mentioned in several posts I'll take another cleric since there are only like 3 times I can think of where I'd want 2 CHers in a group...Non pet Vxed/tipt runs and one grouping lucin raid mobs now thank you kindly I'll take a 2 clerics along for those).....I would rather have a shaman casting All those pretty spells I mentioned than a druid casting 2-3 usefull spells....

Aye Im qvic flagged(though I will admit its from backflagging I am still an app so I wasn't around when they first got it) and for the love of god don't say served.
Druids just get pissy b/c they never find high level groups and now that they are nerfing vxed/tipt to make pet charming a lot harder(well so I hear and it wouldn't surprise me I dont think SoE planned on it being that easy) druids will have an even harder time(since they were used on occasion as a snarer).

Edited, Tue Sep 14 12:26:50 2004 by elorianBLAH

I very much agree with the where you hunt part(A druid or shaman will heal just fine in BoT or PoV or what have you) any way all of this group talk has made me think that im going to have to grind lvls and that makes me unhappy :(.

This thread has gone off topic a bit... from the first page:



And as for:



Ehhh, no. Necros don't require mobs with mana to lich, and liching is where they get their mana regen. They do have a spell that siphons mana from a mob and gives it to the group, but that's not something they rely on that much.

Ikk4 and uqua...so Kepper of the altar and Vrex Barxt Qurat.

Now on to TT Which one would you like to know about the one in PoNB or the one in time(please be more specific next time). As for Misty thicket....I try to stay away from hobbits.....

Is there any thing else I can help you with?

Your faction with VampyrelKnight could not get any worse.

Not absolutly necessary sub 55, but you could argue the same with CC.

All you really need is a tank that keeps aggro and a healer that keeps tha tank stood up long enough for the mob to die.

The rest of the classes are there to make that task easier.

Simplistic in the extreme but true none the less.

oh back to the original topic on good groups here is one you can take around to kill every lucin "raid: mob expect for emp and VT(might need 3 groups for emp and 2 for VT.;....though some VT mobs might be one groupable I haven't the 24hrs needed to try to take one group through VT without bots :P )
This one works well on seru(Im using himn as the example b/c he has the best lucin loot after VT and emp).

Warrior or Pally

2xClerics(fight is long you'll need to clerical power :P)

Bard(mana/HP songs RGC thingy they have as well as crowd control for those guards and for resists)

Wizard(Nukes are a must on this guy)

Shaman(disease slow and non magic based dots and nukes)

the fights will take over an hour but they are fun

Necros would be nice for mana dumping reasons so if your tank has enough life to tank seru unslowed then sub a necro for the shaman

I did an LDoN with 6 Beastlords...

We all sat back and watched our pets kill every mob in the dungeon... Including the named.

We lost a couple pets along the way but they're easy to call back and no exp loss. All we had to do was cast a few spells and loot the dead.

Who could ask for anything better than that?

Lol, or gang has a botted Shaman that we drag around with us. We log him in to buff everyone, then park him at ZI and camp him.

The buff argument in the silly shaman vss druid argument doesn't carry any real weight. What counts is the effectiveness in battle, any one that has played both would realise that to argue over the differences between the small faster heals is completely pointless, they both work fine, if you know how to use them.

But when one or the other is to be main healer, the druid works out better because the druid CH is more effective when used properly.

In a zone where slowing is important and our Chanter is not on, we drop out our cleric and use both the druid and shaman together, which is actually a very powerful combination.

Any one who views a shaman and a druid as being mutually exclusive is completely clueless as far as group structure is concerned.

We usually have;

Warrior or Pally for tanking
Ranger or Wizzy for DPS
Monk for pulling and DPS
Necro for back up everything (except tanking these days
Cleric or Druid for healing
Chanter of Shaman for slows/haste Chanter is always preferred for CC reasons
Druid for DPS and back up most things

When everyone is on we load up the bots and form two groups in raid.

Have lots of fun doing crs in all the strangest place you can find in Norrath

Ok this i do agree if theres a pally in the group(I just like a rez handy I know I know Im lazy i dont like porting all over the place to get to my corpse :P
Plus that would up the DPS by a bit wouldn't it. The only reason I like shammy slow over chanter is b/c they also have disease slow incase mob is magic immune.

That was taken out, now you only have to do 1 damage.

not hard for 6 nuking Bsts