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#102 Jul 15 2004 at 12:36 PM Rating: Default
Damnit see now peoples religeos beliefs are in the game...Best to shut the door and lock it


Edited, Mon Jul 19 21:34:58 2004 by dracoboars
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#103 Jul 15 2004 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Religion, in many instances, have created a Catch-22. They have Valzarius in the position that no matter what he does, he is a sinner.


Thanks for the kind words Emmo, for they are always appreciated. This will be the last posting I'll make on EQ/homosexuality/religion, for this isn't the board to discuss these issues. I could go on for pages.

Just to be 100% specific, according to the Roman Catholic Church homosexuality itself is not a sin. The actual act of homosexuality (sodomy) is what is specifically addressed as a sin. You can be a homosexual in the Catholic church, as long as you are not a practicing one. [please no comments about the church laity...let the subject die gracefully]

Needless to say I've found this logic very confusing and no longer consider myself Catholic. I'm still trying to find the right sect of Christianity that will fully accept me for who I am.
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#104 Jul 15 2004 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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New gay friendly guild!
As aposed to a Gay unfriendly guild??

EQ is pretty unisex IMHO so i can't really see the point to making a guild that deliberately makes you seperate from the rest of the players. All it will do is make you a target on an otherwise annoymous server.
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#105 Jul 15 2004 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent
pretty much perfectly said
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#106 Jul 15 2004 at 9:11 PM Rating: Decent
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EQ is pretty unisex IMHO so i can't really see the point to making a guild that deliberately makes you seperate from the rest of the players.
Believe it or not, it gets really old hearing "dude, that's gay".
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#107 Jul 15 2004 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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Quote:We don't much care if you're gay, ****, Black, Asian, Communist Chinese, or whatever. All a lot of us care about is that you keep your crap to yourself.

I beg to differ here - I think its quite an offence to put "****" in a row with "gay" and "black"

Overall its not easy to weigh the pros and cons of benefiting the WHOLE community with such a guild....but you never try - you never know...

PS: I expect this guild to get lots of applications from guys dreaming of a bisexual girlfriend ;)



I am in total agreement on this one, but gee, let me see what the Friar has to say, maybe I am wrong?

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#108 Jul 16 2004 at 6:51 AM Rating: Default
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what Server is this guild on? Im not gay {THANK GOD}
#109 Jul 16 2004 at 8:13 AM Rating: Good
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Luclin. The guild has been around since 2003.


p.s. We're thanking god for that too!
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#110 Jul 16 2004 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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p.s. We're thanking god for that too!


LMAO
#111 Jul 16 2004 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Believe it or not, it gets really old hearing "dude, that's gay".
That phrase has exactly nothing at all to do with sexuality, if you have an IQ you would not be offended by it.

It's like a chinesse man getting offended by someone saying 'the chinks in his armour are showing' Smiley: oyvey
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#112 Jul 16 2004 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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I wrote:
but I still don't know what the door knob said

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"Feed your head!"


I always thought she was saying "joker". So I looked up the lyrics. We're both wrong. It's dormouse (according to the 5 or so pages I looked at.)

And Tarv, we've had this discussion before. I'm not doing it again.
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#113 Jul 16 2004 at 2:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Believe it or not, it gets really old hearing "dude, that's gay".


That phrase has exactly nothing at all to do with sexuality, if you have an IQ you would not be offended by it.

It's like a chinesse man getting offended by someone saying 'the chinks in his armour are showing'


Actually, the origination of the saying "That's gay" (in all its forms), is based upon a derogatory meaning. So it would be closer to saying, "Dude, that is so Jewish", or "Dude, that is so ****'ish"
#114 Jul 16 2004 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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So your making a guild that only excepts bards. Hmmmm
#115 Jul 16 2004 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi all, I have a question that has bugged me for many years. What is it about **** life that buggs people?

It has never bothered me and I've always wondered what the big thing is.

Is it the ***?
Is it a xenophobic type of fear?
Is it the stereotype effeminate male thing?
Is it the "I had *** with a Catholic Priest and feel guilty thing"?
Is it the Prada Shoes? :)

What?


Edited, Fri Jul 16 19:37:22 2004 by KrummyButtons
#116 Jul 16 2004 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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It's not the Prada shoes in and of themselves. It's the jealousy they inspire.

All kidding aside, I think xenophobic fear is probably closest to true. We humans segregate ourselves into groups. Anyone outside our group is "other" and of course "other" is bad.

The battle of intellect over instinct rages on.
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#117 Jul 16 2004 at 8:09 PM Rating: Decent
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How and why is it offensive to mention blacks, gays, and ****'s in the same remark?

You unknowingly make my point. Let me preface my next comments with a statement.

The O-N-L-Y groups of people on this planet, whether they be political, religious, intellectual, gender based, or whatever that I have NO tolerance for are those who HATE.

SoE should be totally intolerant of ANY group of people that advertise or promote their RL political or ethical agendas in a game where people come to escape just that kind of thing in RL.

**** guilds, AlQueda guilds, "Christian Guilds" or any other for that matter are entitiled to the same freedom of action and speech as a "Gay Friendly" guild.

That's the BAD news. Half the members of MY guild could be gay for all I know. Or skinheads. Or Fundamentalist Islamics. Or from any other "special interest" group. The BEAUTY of it is that I have no clue.

I still maintain that our fantasy world has no room for RL agendas and groups with political, religious or sexual lines drawn publicly.

But as another poster said so aptly earlier, the horse is already out. Doors have been opened that should have remained shut and sealed.

Nobody will be thanking ME for MY kind comments because I have none. I speak what I feel to be the truth. I won't conveniently cozy up to ANY particular group so that I get rated up.

A spade is a spade. Regardless of what God it believes in, what political doctrine it follows, or who it's sleeping with tonight.

It's just saddens and angers me that the last place that Pandora's Box hadn't been opened will now be exposed to a graduating flood of what I try to escape from in my real world.

If there are Hate based guilds in this game, eliminate them. Same for overtly religious and lifestyle based ones.

And a final question to those who so nobly posted that we should all "live and let live". Does that apply to groups of people who promote or advertise the ideals of hatred and intolerance as well?

What makes me angriest perhaps is that THEY can come through the very same door.


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#118 Jul 16 2004 at 9:46 PM Rating: Default
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I'm amazed at some of the responses to the (original) post about this guild. How many people in eq have never had conversations in groups/guild/tells/ooc/shout or any other form of communication regarding their likes, dislike, family/marital status, gender, race...the list goes on. I've seen someone in PoK recruiting for a guild that leaned towards Anime followers, should they be shunned or rediculed because they segregate themselves from others? Guilds should be allowed to cater to specifics if they choose to, provided they are not abusive to others or interrupt the game play for others. It would seem to me, that by catering to a specific group (but not limiting membership) would provide a basis for communication, thru communication, we learn about others. I've known people who have met in RL, with others they have met in eq. let it go and be happy people can find friends even in eq!
#119 Jul 16 2004 at 11:26 PM Rating: Default
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Ho Boy, what a can of worms.

First of all, I like many or the others who have left comments here, I wish to express my feelings. Why is it that minority organizations feels compelled to force their beliefs on the rest of us?

Next there will be a guild for Peta and NOW. The Peta guild would probably promote the banning of "pets" because they fight for us. The NOW guild would certainly have concerns about the dresscodes and bustlines in EQ. We dont need this things in EQ.

I do resent the intrusion on MY rights to live my life without every splinter group saying, "Hey Look At Me, I can force you to listen to my beliefs". I do not force you to listen to my personal beliefs without provocation. But, now that you have, indeed, forced yours on me again, read the following rebuttal.

Now that KrummyButtons has posed an interesting questions.

Consider this.

Is it ***? No. By definition *** in the animal kingdom is between opposite sexes. It must therefore and can only be gradification.


Now to FACTS: The work GAY. This word has been coined by the homosexual community to take focus away from the implecations of the specific word "Homosexual". We don't call pedophiles "Happy" do we?

Here is a definition to consider: The homosexual life style cannot procreate. This is a diviation from the normal for the procreation of the species. It is sexual in nature. Wouldn't a better defining term be Sexual Deviates? This would have quite a different impact on society if your childern were being taught in school by a "*** diviate" rather then by the "cute" word GAY.

I dont hate homosexuals. I truly don't care if you are "Gay", just quit grandstanding and shoving it in my face all of the time. That is what I hate.

Go march in a parade somewhere, when it comes on TV at least I have the choice to turn the channel if it disgusts me. Leave it out of EQ!!!!!!!!!!


#120 Jul 17 2004 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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Boy, straight people are really convinced that glbt people pay a lot of attention to them and spend inordinate amounts of time wanting to indoctrinate them into "the life".

Stop flattering yourselves.

If you're not being forcibly drafted into this guild, it in no way effects you.

Unless of course you spend your play time sitting around with your mind full of thoughts about that awful and intrustive gay guild. I assure you, they're not going to be sitting around thinking of you.
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#121 Jul 17 2004 at 4:24 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, the origination of the saying "That's gay" (in all its forms), is based upon a derogatory meaning. So it would be closer to saying, "Dude, that is so Jewish", or "Dude, that is so ****'ish"
Atually it doesn't the word 'Gay' means to be happy and joyfull. the use of gay to mean sad came during the early nineties when words where used in the opposite sence, i would liken it to the use of the word 'Bad' to mean good.

there are other examples if you wish me to list them. The fact that the sometimes oversencitive Gay comunity take offence is entirely of thier own making.

What do i have again homosexuals? well i would have a problem only on 2 occasions, one of which is so extreme that i doubt i will ever experiance it in my lifetime so it is pretty irrelevant.

1. Oversencitivty to UNRELATED subjects like the use of UNRELATED words that are in COMMON useage in a different meaning.

2. If i was sexually abused by a gay person, this is the irrelevant one since the 7 gay people that i know socielly or through work and i suspect in the communtiy at large have a complete respect for other people sexuality. I wish i could say the same for some Hetrosexuals.

But thats not my point, my point is thus.
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EQ is pretty unisex IMHO so i can't really see the point to making a guild that deliberately makes you seperate from the rest of the players. All it will do is make you a target on an otherwise annoymous server.

If you are then targetted you only have yourself to blame, however you will immeadiately seek to blame those around you.
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#122 Jul 17 2004 at 4:35 AM Rating: Good
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Do you EQ people put up with this Ralston guy? Smiley: disappointed

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#124 Jul 18 2004 at 12:53 AM Rating: Decent
I think Yanari's gay. Just a hunch.
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#125 Jul 18 2004 at 12:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I think Yanari's gay. Just a hunch.


So?
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